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Title: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: IWNOIJODIHOH on September 19, 2018, 01:51:25 PM
Lately, the massive purge of users for breaking rules (enforced randomly at times) and bounty threads for various infractions to me signals major changes at Bitcointalk.org.

And now, demoting all Jr. Members with 0 merit back to newbie levels seems draconian at best.  Maybe they do have a spam problem, but their broken merit system has stranded many Jr. Members, leaving them open to demotion during this latest major change there.  I find it very difficult to believe the problem was so pervasive, they needed to demote what was probably thousands of members back to square one, with no way to post now to obtain merit.

Please chime in with your opinions.  Bitcointalk is nearly at the center of the crypto universe and it doesn't look as though newbies can even post anymore to obtain the merit they need to re-become Jr. Members.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: llyfee on September 19, 2018, 03:48:00 PM
Indeed....BCT is the de facto center of information when it comes to crypto.   I think that many agree that something needed to be done about the number of low quality comments/multi accounts/ farming etc that was happening on the forum.  Although the merit system addressed these concerns to a certain extent, it also created many problems along the line.   

The recent demotion of Jr. Members to to newbie is one that is uncalled for IMO because there are thousands of genuine accounts and high quality posters who have been caught up in this 'one size fits all' approach that they have taken.   If it is the case that newbies are unable to post, the question then is how do they get the exposure needed to have a chance of being merited.   

Personally, i feel BCT has become too big for its own good therefore emphasis on 'self importance' on the part of the mods.  What we need is a credible alternative to BCT.   
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: hardinero007 on September 19, 2018, 04:42:01 PM
i think bct should let those jr members as is and set a more strict rule for newbies to become jr members.  this would be better and fairer than eliminate those jr members without merits.  or if they should reset the jr members, reset those who have low activity, like less than 100.  there are many true jr members who have >100 activities and don't have any merits.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: IWNOIJODIHOH on September 19, 2018, 07:32:03 PM
I agree what they did was slash and burn.  We don't have the numbers but I tend to believe the majority of the Jr. Members were good contributors.  Not everyone is a genius with English, so I'm not sure of the requirements they go by.

Unless they are setting BCT up to be a paid service someday, the recent moves they made would seem to marginalize themselves and open the door for the next bit altcoin forum to replace them.

Whatever the case may be it sure does seem like the egos of the mods there have grown too damn big.

Can you imagine all the bounties that people were involved in as Jr. Members only to see the whole show stop dead?  Sad stuff.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: Keeping Up on September 19, 2018, 10:33:21 PM
For me it seems that bitcointalk moderators and developers wants to make their authority felt by those who are engaged in cryptocurrency.
Of course they know that most of the projects nowadays requires a bitcointalk account in their members to be accepted.
We also cannot disregard the idea that this could also be a greater means for the to create revenue especialky bitcointalk ranks can now be bought through donations.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: ehrz22 on September 19, 2018, 11:06:50 PM
for me it is only a plain obvious thing that they want profit and they will continue to manipulate the forum. They are not fair and will continue to do this dirty tricks to be able to earn huge money.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: AnnaMaria on September 20, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
The reason for the action is called the struggle with the farms. But I think that for farms to buy 1 merit is not a problem. The blow fell on ordinary users who participate in the bounty of the company. For many, this is not the main earnings. There were no warnings.
 And many lost the company's bounty. And I can not understand why they immediately suggested that newcomers buy "Copper member" ;D
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: maflec0713 on September 20, 2018, 05:44:20 PM
I think bitcointalk mods have some good reasons why they do that just to eliminate those spammers. As what have said by theymos, they increase the number of people who will give merit to others and some members are helping their mods to give merits to those members who were demoted. In my opinion, maybe they disable the newbies to post so that they can easily check or determine or eliminate the post of demoted members. I hope my idea is what their thinking, if not, nothing we can do but to find another forum same with them.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: uno on September 20, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
The main problem is because of monopoly.There is no other forum which matches the size and reputation of bitcointalk.Many forums have tried to complete with bct ,but failed to live to the expectations
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: RuJuliette on September 20, 2018, 07:30:35 PM
Indeed....BCT is the de facto center of information when it comes to crypto.   I think that many agree that something needed to be done about the number of low quality comments/multi accounts/ farming etc that was happening on the forum.  Although the merit system addressed these concerns to a certain extent, it also created many problems along the line.   



And again I absolutely agree with llyfee!
BCT is an Information resource for crypto enthusiast first! Earlier the most post there were interesting to read, was much usefull Information.
And now??  The half of the forum is the bounty reports  :o
That's why I think it's really cool that the Staker team made this forum, we can use it for Bounty reports too.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: eadefemi on September 20, 2018, 09:44:06 PM
This is exactly what happens when a few select people take decisions that would affect hundreds of thousands of other people. Irrespective of the degree of spamming or farming that was detected, there is no justification whatsoever for the step the BCT mods adopted. It's completely a "one size fits all" approach that saw the painstaking efforts of many forum users unrewarded and their legitimate rewards denied them...

I would say that I was lucky to have attained the member rank before the 'factory reset' was implemented. But to even think now that I'm probably going be stuck at that rank till whenever  is so repelling....

With so many other forums like cryptocompare coming up, I think it's just a matter of time before the 'decentralization' factor plays out on them....

And I must add that this is one of the reasons why I'd have preferred to Staker forum to be less Staker-focused so that it could be adopted more readily by other projects for their bounties...
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: ElvisSponge on September 21, 2018, 12:48:51 AM
Well I agree, For me the solution stopping the spam and lowering the ranks of people with no merits it's not a wise decisions.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: mryoso1994 on September 21, 2018, 04:00:04 AM
Lately, the massive purge of users for breaking rules (enforced randomly at times) and bounty threads for various infractions to me signals major changes at Bitcointalk.org.

And now, demoting all Jr. Members with 0 merit back to newbie levels seems draconian at best.  Maybe they do have a spam problem, but their broken merit system has stranded many Jr. Members, leaving them open to demotion during this latest major change there.  I find it very difficult to believe the problem was so pervasive, they needed to demote what was probably thousands of members back to square one, with no way to post now to obtain merit.

Please chime in with your opinions.  Bitcointalk is nearly at the center of the crypto universe and it doesn't look as though newbies can even post anymore to obtain the merit they need to re-become Jr. Members.
Bitcointalk team did that to clean up the forum and maybe don't want to increase the population of spammer inside the forum ;D
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: IWNOIJODIHOH on September 21, 2018, 03:50:59 PM
I agree with the two main points in this thread.

1.) It looks like they are moving towards some sort of paid subscription model to generate money.  What they don't realize is they got big doing things how they did.  So, for them to think they can make this big change and not lose thousands of members to another forum is clouded thinking.  It seems only a matter of time before they are knocked off the top of the hill.

2.) They definitely had a major spam problem.  How they dealt with it however was draconian at best and dictatorial at worst.  Not a good way to run a business.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: ziggy on September 23, 2018, 08:56:32 AM
Bitcointalk want to clean the forum the problem multi-accounts, spammers and not following the rules still exist.

In my own opinion it is not anti-user changes they are removing the people who are abusing the forum I am not saying Jr,member demoted to newbies are abusing it there users who just a victim because of other people's fault.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: Kamalsharma101 on September 24, 2018, 07:39:17 AM
Many would agree this step of bitcointalk was like "throwing the baby out with the wash water,"  meaning removing very important while cleaning the dust or not-needed stuff.   On the one hand, this was good because many were just making multiple accounts and posting craps for various bounties and airdrops, but there were some (although not many) not high-rank members (just Jr. or Member) posting really good stuff and one can easily assume they only have one or at most two accounts.  Well this step will remove the crap coming out of mainly the Newbies or Jr. Members, but may also mean less and lesser members now joining the bitcointalk and so less and lesser traffic it gives also.  At some point, I think bitcointalk is going to relax something or will do something for New Members or Jr. at least
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: awoben on September 24, 2018, 09:38:09 PM
What was done on BCT was a welcome move.  Though not so pleasing to some extent, buy truth be told we have a lot of accounts with spam messages,  people create multiple accounts and sell off once it gets to Jr.  member.  This make it hard for such people that indulge in such.  This will make people to concentrate on single account.
That been said, a drastic solution should be provided on how to get merits for people to rank up.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: mcabrito on September 26, 2018, 05:43:14 AM
We have different thoughts and opinions in what happening in bitcoin now and their recent rules update. But for me I think even though it will lessen the spammers it will also make richer more richer specially those who are selling merits
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: Quasimodo on October 02, 2018, 08:11:52 AM
I agree with the two main points in this thread.

1.) It looks like they are moving towards some sort of paid subscription model to generate money.  What they don't realize is they got big doing things how they did.  So, for them to think they can make this big change and not lose thousands of members to another forum is clouded thinking.  It seems only a matter of time before they are knocked off the top of the hill.

2.) They definitely had a major spam problem.  How they dealt with it however was draconian at best and dictatorial at worst.  Not a good way to run a business.
I also agree with you on this issue. Bitcointalk is revolutionizing spam accounts.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: mryoso1994 on October 03, 2018, 01:22:04 AM
I agree with the two main points in this thread.

1.) It looks like they are moving towards some sort of paid subscription model to generate money.  What they don't realize is they got big doing things how they did.  So, for them to think they can make this big change and not lose thousands of members to another forum is clouded thinking.  It seems only a matter of time before they are knocked off the top of the hill.

2.) They definitely had a major spam problem.  How they dealt with it however was draconian at best and dictatorial at worst.  Not a good way to run a business.
I also agree with you on this issue. Bitcointalk is revolutionizing spam accounts.
Bitcointalk did that. so no more spammers. they need a quality post
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: cammie16 on October 03, 2018, 12:34:24 PM
I agree with the two main points in this thread.

1.) It looks like they are moving towards some sort of paid subscription model to generate money.  What they don't realize is they got big doing things how they did.  So, for them to think they can make this big change and not lose thousands of members to another forum is clouded thinking.  It seems only a matter of time before they are knocked off the top of the hill.

2.) They definitely had a major spam problem.  How they dealt with it however was draconian at best and dictatorial at worst.  Not a good way to run a business.
I also agree with you on this issue. Bitcointalk is revolutionizing spam accounts.
Bitcointalk did that. so no more spammers. they need a quality post

I think even if bitcointalk did it, they can't still avoid spammers making spam posts in the forum, but I do agree that it lessen farm accounts that joins bounties there.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: alyssajane1982 on October 03, 2018, 11:01:25 PM
Bitcointalk is doing better now most specially to those bounty hunters who made proof of post. They banned for 7 days or banned permanently those airdrop participants.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: haidangtp on October 04, 2018, 03:14:16 AM
I think many high level accounts still have spam in signature campaign. But their comments are less noticeable. That is not fair.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: shinn1806 on October 04, 2018, 11:23:48 PM
I think many high level accounts still have spam in signature campaign. But their comments are less noticeable. That is not fair.

Yeah because bitcointalk is only focusing on new accounts and that is the reason why high level accounts ignored their spamming posts.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: awoben on October 05, 2018, 12:26:48 PM
From my point if view, BCT did a wonderful job with the new development, though it's not pleasant and some innocent people will fall victim.
 Have heard of people making several accounts and selling it off, the has turned the main objective of the forum to something else.
My only concern now it the merit issues, I believe a solution should be provided for people to earn merits.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: phucdigan on October 05, 2018, 02:41:13 PM
In my opinion, to thoroughly solve the problem of spam, multiple accounts and the hassles around Merit ... perhaps next the BCT will issue the required KYC rules for the account.
KYC is probably the only solution, but at the same time a somewhat subtle issue and goes against Shatoshi's original wishes when giving birth to the BCT because it is a crypto forum - where anonymity and freedom is considered important.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: cammie16 on October 05, 2018, 03:52:44 PM
I think kyc is impossible to implement because like what you have said it against the original feature of bitcoin. Anyway, I think there will be new rules to come in the near future.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: mcabrito on October 05, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
I am not sure but I think there are still no big changes happened in bitcointalk now. Though it lesses the creations multiple accounts.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: yumei88 on October 05, 2018, 10:32:59 PM
Bitcointalk is heading for a more organized and strict forum. They are active banning people now and this is good as it will lessen the creations of spam posts.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: papo on October 08, 2018, 09:35:53 AM
I think the main thing here is monopoly. bitcointalk wants to make their power felt by people involved in crypto. Because most crypto are on it.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: nemram on October 09, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
Lately, the massive purge of users for breaking rules (enforced randomly at times) and bounty threads for various infractions to me signals major changes at Bitcointalk.org.

And now, demoting all Jr. Members with 0 merit back to newbie levels seems draconian at best.  Maybe they do have a spam problem, but their broken merit system has stranded many Jr. Members, leaving them open to demotion during this latest major change there.  I find it very difficult to believe the problem was so pervasive, they needed to demote what was probably thousands of members back to square one, with no way to post now to obtain merit.

Please chime in with your opinions.  Bitcointalk is nearly at the center of the crypto universe and it doesn't look as though newbies can even post anymore to obtain the merit they need to re-become Jr. Members.
Bitcointalk team did that to clean up the forum and maybe don't want to increase the population of spammer inside the forum ;D


Team bitcointalk themselves contribute to the spread of spam. A huge amount of ISO spam was advertised precisely on bitcoin, and instead of filtering these projects, their team began to filter those involved in airdrop and bounty companies. In my opinion, before anyone realizes what a new bitcointalk company should have checked this company and then publish it.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: yumei88 on October 13, 2018, 12:02:04 AM
I observed that bitcoin is very strict now, I have posts that got deleted even if it is not looks spam. Maybd bitcointalk is changing now for the better but in a very strict way.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: cammie16 on October 13, 2018, 12:15:55 AM
I also heard more and more bitcointalk accounts are getting banned for just posting proofs of join. Me myself also experience becoming banned for 7 days because of that reason and after that I stop joining airdrops with proof posting.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: blueoreo17 on October 18, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
Wether bitcointalk is improving the only thing I see there is rich becoming richer because of the merits that needs to have, I am sure many are selling it with high price because of the high demand for it.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: brr22 on October 18, 2018, 07:40:30 PM
My opinion for the bounty program needs a completely different specialized website, forum. They turned the forum that was originally created into a bazaar, and no one would need not levels and merit. You look at the legendary participants of the forum, Satoshi, Buterin, they did not strive for leveling, but They came to communicate on business and so simply with like-minded people.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: shinn1806 on October 19, 2018, 03:11:09 AM
Yes bitcointalk forum really improves a lot and maybe really change its original plan on what is really the use of that forum. Maybe because of the greedy staffs over there. I don't really know what is happening there already.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: absurde on October 20, 2018, 10:14:23 AM
First of all BTT should decide to cancell all multiple accounts that they have given permission and they can examine post quality.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: uno on October 22, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
The only solution is bitcointalk should ban all bounty reports posting and signatures should be activated only to high quality members.80% of spamming and fake accounts will vanish
Bounty threads should be limited to announcements and third party sites like bounty global etc should be made to use for activity reporting
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: mcabrito on October 23, 2018, 11:26:50 AM
Better not to open a bounty campaign at all, if they really want to eliminate fake accounts or just redirect reports to some sites to check and post weekly reports.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: kissmarx on October 24, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Apparently Bitcointalk makes it look like they want quality contents in their forum. But in truth, they just want more money to come into their pockets.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: yumei88 on October 24, 2018, 11:41:29 AM
I agree to you, and what they are doin are all infavor to them most specially to all staffs who have powers and all the authority to do whatever they want.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: onlinejalsa on October 24, 2018, 07:22:55 PM
I feel like Bitcointalk, just want to make money with new rules, u can clearly see all new devs have to buy cooper membership to post images or links related to there project, so its almost $15 profit from each dev, merits they gave it for free for old members when they introduced, now no one wants to give to new members as they want to sell them to make money them, all they say is new members spam the forum so we kept these new rules, i seen so many hero members with 1000 merits just post 2 or 3 words in there reply but still they are not spammers
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: knggtrrz on October 26, 2018, 06:31:22 AM
Soon more new strict rules will be implemented and I have a feeling that the 1 merit required for jr member will be increased to 3 or 5. If this will happen then those merit sources will really have a huge profit from it.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: jackl99 on October 26, 2018, 10:02:36 PM
Hello

The crypto world need a lot of believer. I think bitcointalk take a very bad decision because it lock the forum for the new users.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: t3ChNo on October 26, 2018, 10:44:31 PM
I think they're just aiming for quality posts although some mods there contributes to spamming.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: yumei88 on October 31, 2018, 12:02:37 PM
Some mods there are very strict specially in bitcoin section, I don't know what posts he wants to read. As if we are not allowed to post repeated comments.
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: W0lly on November 02, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
Well more and more new coins (that are doing AD) are opening a new forum only for the coin. Sometimes its still integrated with BCT some others doesnt talk about BCT.
It is indeed that there are a lot of Spam posts on BCT. But then again it is getting harder for serieus new members that want to learn more about crypto. If you posts to much on one evening you allready get a ban for spamming...
Title: Re: Where is Bitcointalk.org heading with all these anti-user changes lately?
Post by: arafat on November 17, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
Personally, i feel BCT has become too big for its own good therefore emphasis on 'self importance' on the part of the mods.  What we need is a credible alternative to BCT.   
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